I have read that soft capping strength could be bad and lead to more dropped passes. Say a QB is level 20. Double soft capped throwing as well as vision. What would you say is a good amount of strength at this stage?? Is soft capping this necessary to throwing good passes??
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most the Qb that give advice on this forum have bad quarterbacks. I have yet to see any real proof that throwing increases drops.
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Originally posted by Jagmind
I have read that soft capping strength could be bad and lead to more dropped passes. Say a QB is level 20. Double soft capped throwing as well as vision. What would you say is a good amount of strength at this stage?? Is soft capping this necessary to throwing good passes??
As long as you have good tight spiral you should be fine. Drops are WRs fault
I have read that soft capping strength could be bad and lead to more dropped passes. Say a QB is level 20. Double soft capped throwing as well as vision. What would you say is a good amount of strength at this stage?? Is soft capping this necessary to throwing good passes??
As long as you have good tight spiral you should be fine. Drops are WRs fault
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For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
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Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
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Originally posted by jbiller
Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
Only having 2 ints in 489 attempts is pretty good though. Strength doesn't really help throwing TDs or complete passes. It does make the ball harder for defenses to pick off. If you have an interception problem, up strength and I bet it does down.
Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
Only having 2 ints in 489 attempts is pretty good though. Strength doesn't really help throwing TDs or complete passes. It does make the ball harder for defenses to pick off. If you have an interception problem, up strength and I bet it does down.
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Originally posted by jbiller
Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
Ive got throwing at 88 and TS at 7, FG at 7 too. Strength at 50 and vision at 54.
Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
Ive got throwing at 88 and TS at 7, FG at 7 too. Strength at 50 and vision at 54.
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Originally posted by Ilok
Only having 2 ints in 489 attempts is pretty good though. Strength doesn't really help throwing TDs or complete passes. It does make the ball harder for defenses to pick off. If you have an interception problem, up strength and I bet it does down.
I dont have an INT problem, but if I increase strength, could I see a decrease in completion ratings due to the WR's not being able to handle it?
Only having 2 ints in 489 attempts is pretty good though. Strength doesn't really help throwing TDs or complete passes. It does make the ball harder for defenses to pick off. If you have an interception problem, up strength and I bet it does down.
I dont have an INT problem, but if I increase strength, could I see a decrease in completion ratings due to the WR's not being able to handle it?
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There has been no proof in whether the quarterback's strength has any effect on whether or not a receiver can catch it. I have a relatively high strength quarterback for his level and the team I own has a quarter back the same level, with much lower strength.
First thing you need to take in account is the quality of wide receivers the low strength quarterback has over my quarterback. The low strength QB is throwing to a level 24 WR 3 level 23 WRs and a 19 WR. Also has a 25 and 22 recieving TEs. Everyone has well over 40+ catching (most with catching over soft cap) except for the 19 WR which has 39.
My QB is throwing to a 23, 22, and two 19 receivers and 25 and 17 TEs. No one has soft capped catching and only 3 has 40+ catching
That being said, I only have 19 more drops than the other qb.
In the level 16 capped teams I QM, I see absolutely no parody in strength and dropped passes. I think it drops are completely on the receivers.
First thing you need to take in account is the quality of wide receivers the low strength quarterback has over my quarterback. The low strength QB is throwing to a level 24 WR 3 level 23 WRs and a 19 WR. Also has a 25 and 22 recieving TEs. Everyone has well over 40+ catching (most with catching over soft cap) except for the 19 WR which has 39.
My QB is throwing to a 23, 22, and two 19 receivers and 25 and 17 TEs. No one has soft capped catching and only 3 has 40+ catching
That being said, I only have 19 more drops than the other qb.
In the level 16 capped teams I QM, I see absolutely no parody in strength and dropped passes. I think it drops are completely on the receivers.
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My QB has 56 strength wheras the other QB on the team has 38 strength and has 13 more in vision and throwing than my QB, but more of his passes are dropped.
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Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
Vision is about 10-15 more than strength, fwiw buddy.
Both strength and vision seem important imo, though likely vision moreso.
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
Vision is about 10-15 more than strength, fwiw buddy.
Both strength and vision seem important imo, though likely vision moreso.
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Originally posted by jbiller
Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
For the first part of your post, you've given absolutely (positively) no evidence or reason not to add to your strength. You simply continued to repeat what others in this forum tend to say, that vision+throwing+tight spiral=great QB.
To be clear, I have no disagreement that throwing and vision should be 2nd softcapped. Personally my QB is actually working towards the 3rd cap in both to be honest with you. My point however is all this "strength just needs to be softcapped for the life of your QB" stuff is inherently unfounded garbage. I mean all the anti-strength people with QBs have never had a high level QB with high strength, so percisely where in the world do they get this "information" from?
As far as my own QB goes, yes I have tore up gutted teams, but what else am i supposed to do vs gutted teams. That simple fact does not make my QB complete garbage by any means my friend. I am not here to call my QB god but rather to give an example that strength isn't worthless.
Originally posted by paraflux
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For strength, the higher the better. I have more strength than the vast majority of QBs on this forum, and my QB has a respectable 39 TDs and 2 INTs, fwiw...
What is your strength/vision ratio though? Im just about at my throwing limit, and want to know what else to start lifting first, strength or vision. Right now my strength is at 50 and vision at 54. I dont have as many TD's or yards as you, but also have like 100 less attempts, 28 TD's, and 2 INT's.
You should never have to bring strength past 50. If you've got Strength, Vision, Throwing, and Confidence all at the first cap then I suggest bringing up Vision and Throwing to the second cap, and don't forget about Tight Spiral.
**Edit**
I'd also like to point out that WiSeIVIaN's QB threw 31 of his TDs in five of his games, probably pointing out more of a lack of quality opponents than anything. Damn near any QB could get 11 TDs in a game if the opponent was all level 8.
For the first part of your post, you've given absolutely (positively) no evidence or reason not to add to your strength. You simply continued to repeat what others in this forum tend to say, that vision+throwing+tight spiral=great QB.
To be clear, I have no disagreement that throwing and vision should be 2nd softcapped. Personally my QB is actually working towards the 3rd cap in both to be honest with you. My point however is all this "strength just needs to be softcapped for the life of your QB" stuff is inherently unfounded garbage. I mean all the anti-strength people with QBs have never had a high level QB with high strength, so percisely where in the world do they get this "information" from?
As far as my own QB goes, yes I have tore up gutted teams, but what else am i supposed to do vs gutted teams. That simple fact does not make my QB complete garbage by any means my friend. I am not here to call my QB god but rather to give an example that strength isn't worthless.
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
For the first part of your post, you've given absolutely (positively) no evidence or reason not to add to your strength. You simply continued to repeat what others in this forum tend to say, that vision+throwing+tight spiral=great QB.
My reason is that you can use those skill points elsewhere, and it really doesn't have to be stated. If someone asks if they should raise their QBs punting skill, would you really require them to answer 'No, because that is a waste of skill points'? A simple 'level up throwing/vision/confidence/strength' works much better.
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
To be clear, I have no disagreement that throwing and vision should be 2nd softcapped. Personally my QB is actually working towards the 3rd cap in both to be honest with you. My point however is all this "strength just needs to be softcapped for the life of your QB" stuff is inherently unfounded garbage. I mean all the anti-strength people with QBs have never had a high level QB with high strength, so percisely where in the world do they get this "information" from?
And? We have experience with our QBs, and if they're successful then why would we suddenly need high strength? Strength isn't bad for a QB, but neither is agility. You need to prioritize what you level up. Everyone draws on what experience they have and what everyone around them is doing.
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
As far as my own QB goes, yes I have tore up gutted teams, but what else am i supposed to do vs gutted teams. That simple fact does not make my QB complete garbage by any means my friend. I am not here to call my QB god but rather to give an example that strength isn't worthless.
Actually, it makes your stats completely worthless. The way you stated it was that strength was a major factor in your success. The major factor in your success was playing garbage teams. Therefore it makes it down right impossible to gather any useful information from your stats. So why bother stating them? You've given about as much evidence as I have.
I don't think I really need to say that the team around the QB has more of an effect on their stats then how they deviate from any standard strength/throwing/vision/confidence builds. And from my experience, your WRs are better then your strength for opening up the deep passing game. So exactly what benefit does strength then provide? I've seen little.
For the first part of your post, you've given absolutely (positively) no evidence or reason not to add to your strength. You simply continued to repeat what others in this forum tend to say, that vision+throwing+tight spiral=great QB.
My reason is that you can use those skill points elsewhere, and it really doesn't have to be stated. If someone asks if they should raise their QBs punting skill, would you really require them to answer 'No, because that is a waste of skill points'? A simple 'level up throwing/vision/confidence/strength' works much better.
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
To be clear, I have no disagreement that throwing and vision should be 2nd softcapped. Personally my QB is actually working towards the 3rd cap in both to be honest with you. My point however is all this "strength just needs to be softcapped for the life of your QB" stuff is inherently unfounded garbage. I mean all the anti-strength people with QBs have never had a high level QB with high strength, so percisely where in the world do they get this "information" from?
And? We have experience with our QBs, and if they're successful then why would we suddenly need high strength? Strength isn't bad for a QB, but neither is agility. You need to prioritize what you level up. Everyone draws on what experience they have and what everyone around them is doing.
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
As far as my own QB goes, yes I have tore up gutted teams, but what else am i supposed to do vs gutted teams. That simple fact does not make my QB complete garbage by any means my friend. I am not here to call my QB god but rather to give an example that strength isn't worthless.
Actually, it makes your stats completely worthless. The way you stated it was that strength was a major factor in your success. The major factor in your success was playing garbage teams. Therefore it makes it down right impossible to gather any useful information from your stats. So why bother stating them? You've given about as much evidence as I have.
I don't think I really need to say that the team around the QB has more of an effect on their stats then how they deviate from any standard strength/throwing/vision/confidence builds. And from my experience, your WRs are better then your strength for opening up the deep passing game. So exactly what benefit does strength then provide? I've seen little.
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