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Ok so, the weak I pitch is stopable for a loss of yards 99% of the time. Is there a way to avoid running that play without losing all pitches? I've had guys with success on the other pitches, but obviously its a game stopper if you hit a DC who knows how to stop the weak I. Id just hate to cut out all pitches because 1 play is totally busted.

If you chose to pitch, the computer will randomly select you to either pitch to the right with the Weak I, Basic I or pitch to the left in Single back formation. I am not sure how the computer decide on the percentage, but I think it is may be 33% for each play.

The weak I is pretty much dead against a decent DC. The Single back pitch to the left is also a dead play against a good DC (If you are having success against it, you haven't gone up against a DC that knows all the tricks). The Basic I pitch is the best pitch for the offense and the only worthwhile one.

So basically, you have a choice of running the pitch where 2/3 of them will be stopped dead(against a decent DC) or not run the pitch at all.

The best offense in the Pro Leagues generally chooses not to run the pitch at all.

I abandoned the pitch because of that very reason. It's way too easy to stop, especially the Weak I...that's a guaranteed 3 yrd loss against a good DC.

LOL yeah one play you can set your tactics to stack the box and blitz 6 100 percent. and not have to worry about any other plays coming out of that formation.

However Bort announced that he is working on multiple play options from the Weak I so this will probably be the last season it is totally predictable. On another note I think he seriously needs to work on improving pitch/sweep plays in general. There is only one that is valuable for positive yardage and the rest are usually busts. We have an excellent pulling G and still the blocking is jacked up. As it stands right now you have to rely on the defense playing off in order to get anywhere with it.

Quick question...can anyone provide me with a quick explanation as to the difference with "outside runs"? If you choose Outside Run Off Tackle the HB has the option of cutting outside the tackle instead of the normal inside pathing, but I'm a tad bit hesitant to try just the "Outside Run" output because it might produce similar results as the pitch/sweep.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
Quick question...can anyone provide me with a quick explanation as to the difference between "outside runs"? If you choose Outside Run Off Tackle the HB has the option of cutting outside the tackle instead of the normal inside pathing, but I'm a tad bit hesitant to try just the "Outside Run" output because it might produce similar results as the pitch/sweep.



Off-Tackle is an outside run, but it is not a sweep. OT plays work well with both elusive and power backs, since they're pretty quick hitting, but generally open a big enough hole for an elusive back to make some quick moves and cut outside if needed. That said, more often than not, the back will cut inside and turn upfield, unless your WR locks down that corner.

Thanks for the reply. I'm very familiar with the OT plays but it's the generick "Ouside Run" play type that I'm referring to. I'm assuming it's farther outside than the OT run but not quite as far as the pitch/sweep? I've played around with small %s of this output but have not seen anything that strictly defines the path of a generic "outside run". If anyone is familiar with this play type and can post replays I'd greatly appreciate it.

Oh, my bad. I misunderstood. The "Run Outside" option chooses randomly from pitches and OT plays, so yeah.. It's not a very wise choice.

just to clarify a bit more...In Bort's play book under the Outside Rush tab he shows examples of the different runs that go to the outside. All of the non-off tackle runs are labeled as "pitch" or "sweep". There is a specific play type in the AI for Outside Run - Pitch/Sweep, one for Outside Run - Off Tackle, and one for Outside Run. I'm trying to figure out exactly what constitutes as the last one.

Originally posted by Forbin
Oh, my bad. I misunderstood. The "Run Outside" option chooses randomly from pitches and OT plays, so yeah.. It's not a very wise choice.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. so until he improves the pitch/sweep plays then I'll pretty much scrap that option as well. That sucks because I would love to be able to get our elusive back around the edges more often without worrying about a loss of yards.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
Originally posted by Forbin

Oh, my bad. I misunderstood. The "Run Outside" option chooses randomly from pitches and OT plays, so yeah.. It's not a very wise choice.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. so until he improves the pitch/sweep plays then I'll pretty much scrap that option as well. That sucks because I would love to be able to get our elusive back around the edges more often without worrying about a loss of yards.

We'll have a much improved system in season 6. He already said he's going to fix the Weak-I exploit by adding at least an inside run and a pass. All he'll need to do after that is add a strong pitch to the Singleback-3WR set, and we'll be golden.

Strong pitch from Single 3 WR may not be as great a choice as off-tackle left there. You don't have the FB to lead block so if they're in Cover 1/0, the SS is going to go unblocked into the strong-side backfield.

Off-tackle left would gash Cover 0, and though Cover 1's FS could "stop" it, it would only be after 5 yards or so. It would force either a higher Cover or bringing out the base 4-3 (which is obviously dangerous) or the 3-3-5 (probably the safest bet).

Originally posted by Sarg01
Strong pitch from Single 3 WR may not be as great a choice as off-tackle left there. You don't have the FB to lead block so if they're in Cover 1/0, the SS is going to go unblocked into the strong-side backfield.

Off-tackle left would gash Cover 0, and though Cover 1's FS could "stop" it, it would only be after 5 yards or so. It would force either a higher Cover or bringing out the base 4-3 (which is obviously dangerous) or the 3-3-5 (probably the safest bet).

Yeah, you're definitely right. It just needs something to the right, badly, because even an inside run won't be as effective. They'll just send the MLB from their Cover 1, as well as their ROLB.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
just to clarify a bit more...In Bort's play book under the Outside Rush tab he shows examples of the different runs that go to the outside. All of the non-off tackle runs are labeled as "pitch" or "sweep". There is a specific play type in the AI for Outside Run - Pitch/Sweep, one for Outside Run - Off Tackle, and one for Outside Run. I'm trying to figure out exactly what constitutes as the last one.

From what i`ve seen, the last one (outside run) is simply a combination of the other 2. If you choose outside run it will manifest itself as either the pitch/sweep or off tackle on a % basis, while the other 2 options are specific if you want to run one and not the other.

Originally posted by HydrOshocK
I abandoned the pitch because of that very reason. It's way too easy to stop, especially the Weak I...that's a guaranteed 3 yrd loss against a good DC.

We thought about doing the same thing, but decided against it. What you do have to do is only run pitches in situations that you can recover from in the event of a TFL. If you are lucky though, you can get a play like this to happen, but it's only happened once to my D:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=185914&pbp_id=4614729