Warrior General Games

I'm really starting to doubt it does.

I have over 60 Agility/7 Head Fake on one of my RBs - and have yet to see him freeze anyone.

If those attributes aren't enough to successfully perform a headfake - then what is?

60 Agility is a significant amount, especially when taken into consideration that you supposedly need even more for a successful Juke.

So if you think that Head Fake is still effective, show me a replay from THIS SEASON. Tell me what you have, that I don't have, because I honestly don't think it works anymore.

Think about it, its just like everything else that has had success around here. Whenever someone has success with something, they tweak it down.

Speed too effective? Now you need Agility.
Strength too effective? Now not so much.
Passing game? Now QBs can't hit wide open WRs
Elusive Backs? Don't work for shit now.
Super Vision? Not nearly as effective as it used to be.
Pump Fake? Turned that down

Every season, its something else.

Its nothing but a moving target, that we keep spending more and more money trying to hit it. Its impossible.

Originally posted by Bukowski


Think about it, its just like everything else that has had success around here. Whenever someone has success with something, they tweak it down.

Speed too effective? Now you need Agility.
Strength too effective? Now not so much.
Passing game? Now QBs can't hit wide open WRs
Elusive Backs? Don't work for shit now.
Super Vision? Not nearly as effective as it used to be.
Pump Fake? Turned that down

Every season, its something else.

Its nothing but a moving target, that we keep spending more and more money trying to hit it. Its impossible.

Just boosted some of my team and still got dumped all over by a rival. In fact its the biggest loss Ive suffered in 3 seasons. And with respect to their owner, who is a good guy, the O hasnt really changed its tactics in 3 seasons!

Now, Im no football genius, but I know that teams who throw 80% of the time med/long passes should be stopped with pass d and good DB builds. doesnt seem to work like that though

Im at the stage really of just guessing when it comes to builds as the obvious stuff has no real effect.

Im done pumping money into something whose rules for success change daily.

I'm really starting to despise this game..

I want to just quit, but I keep trying to wait it out until the SIM gets corrected, but it just gets worse every year.

They are worried about adding these ridiculous things every off-season, instead of actually fixing what needs to be fixed. They bring in shopping tokens, instead of fixing elusive running. But all in all, the worst part about all of this, is the things that end of broken - that never had a problem before.

The passing game was fine last season, now its not.
Elusive Running was fine in Season 3, but Season 4 it was broken.

Every single season its been something else..

But all I get in response is:

"Buy more flex points.."

My HB has 11 Head Fake and 70 something agility, and was a monster in our first game, against an equal team. In our second game against a much better team (and GM's who gameplanned away our pitch plays) he didn't do anything. Still averaging over 8 YPC on the two games because of my monster game #1.

Yes IMO it still works at least at my HB's lower levels. And once I get enough speed that I stop getting caught from behind on all of my long runs, my average should go up quite a bit more.

My post from the WR forum thread:

I think head fake should be effective at every level. It should just decrease in effectiveness as vision and agility increase. However, the ball carrier should be able to counteract that with his own agility and head fake skill. No skill in this game should ever be useless.

Imagine if a player like Barry Sanders could only rely on one of his skills. He wouldn't have gone anywhere with spins or jukes alone. In my opinion, the perfect elusive back would have 8+ in every single SA. I'm not sure if this is possible with current point progression, but it should be every players ultimate goal.

After all this I'm not even sure as to the state of head fake. I've got 6 points in it on one of my backs and I could swear I've seen him have a defender pause slightly to go around them. Are we really sure that it's still not activating? I think it's more likely that the duration of the "freeze" effect was changed, or adjusted to a different reaction entirely. That makes more sense...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1065320 - LB Head Fake
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067553 - FS Froze for a bit
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067763 - Obvious on the LB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068000 - Another Obvious
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068666 - Another obvious

nice examples jordon. would you share his agility and head fake skill level?

Originally posted by jordan274
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1065320 - LB Head Fake
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067553 - FS Froze for a bit
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067763 - Obvious on the LB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068000 - Another Obvious
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068666 - Another obvious


That's cool.. But those are not much of an advantage. They are just a tiny freeze, that still doesn't even take the defender out of the play.

Go watch Tea Baggins in Season 2 and 3.

Then compare that to the Head Fake we are seeing now - it doesn't even compare.

That's the problem to me.. Every time someone is successful with something, everyone goes and dumps a bunch of points into it - only to have Bort nerf it to irrelevance.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Originally posted by jordan274

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1065320 - LB Head Fake
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067553 - FS Froze for a bit
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067763 - Obvious on the LB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068000 - Another Obvious
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068666 - Another obvious


That's cool.. But those are not much of an advantage. They are just a tiny freeze, that still doesn't even take the defender out of the play.

Go watch Tea Baggins in Season 2 and 3.

Then compare that to the Head Fake we are seeing now - it doesn't even compare.

That's the problem to me.. Every time someone is successful with something, everyone goes and dumps a bunch of points into it - only to have Bort nerf it to irrelevance.

What do you want, defenders falling over and staying down for a few seconds?
It's a HEAD FAKE, think about it in real life a head fake is only a split second thing as per the SA description.

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by Bukowski

Originally posted by jordan274


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1065320 - LB Head Fake
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067553 - FS Froze for a bit
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1067763 - Obvious on the LB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068000 - Another Obvious
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=153555&pbp_id=1068666 - Another obvious


That's cool.. But those are not much of an advantage. They are just a tiny freeze, that still doesn't even take the defender out of the play.

Go watch Tea Baggins in Season 2 and 3.

Then compare that to the Head Fake we are seeing now - it doesn't even compare.

That's the problem to me.. Every time someone is successful with something, everyone goes and dumps a bunch of points into it - only to have Bort nerf it to irrelevance.

What do you want, defenders falling over and staying down for a few seconds?
It's a HEAD FAKE, think about it in real life a head fake is only a split second thing as per the SA description.

I want what I saw in Season 2 and 3 - which was the reason that I built Head Fake up in the first place.

I will post some examples in a minute on Season 2/3 Headfake.

Season 2 HeadFake:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3719765
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3720692
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3721933
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3723504

Season 3 HeadFake:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=5745155
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=5745072
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=5748120

Think about it for a minute..

I watched those replays for two seasons, amazed at what a bunch of points into HeadFake can get you.

I then create 2 RBs, to emulate this type of build.

Now HeadFake is basically useless.

How is that fair?

Bort sees people having fun, excelling with certain builds, he then takes them away - along with all of their wasted skill points.

That's the main thing, the wasted money and skill points. When we are building a player, we should be able to count on something working from one season to the next. We shouldn't have to worry about some certain SA/Attribute being rendered completely useless, just because some people had success with it.


Its a joke, hopefully you can now see where I'm coming from.

Look at those set of plays, now compare them to what the other poster showed us from this year.

There is no comparison.

And before you say that the defense has just built themselves up, my response to that is so have the RBs. In season 2, Tea Baggins was still pretty slow, so I'm guessing he didn't have a million points invested into Agility/HeadFake.

But now here I am, in Season 5, with over 60 Agility and 7 in HeadFake, and I can't do anything even resembling any of those plays. And yeah, I'm pretty sure that Tea Baggins did not have 60 Agility quite yet in Season 2, as he's not close to being as quick as my RB is.

Bort nerfed it - a lot. If this doesn't prove it, I don't know what will.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Season 2 HeadFake:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3719765
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3720692
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3721933
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3723504



Well, I've seen the Tea Baggins replays before and must say that it was a bit overpowered. If they didn't balance stuff like that, every HB in the game would be running around with 11 head fake paralyzing the entire defense. Look at it from an unbiased perspective - which would make the game suck more for the populace in general?

I agreed with some of your original statements, but I think you're pushing this a little too far due to your personal vested interest. There should be no "ultimate" build in this game due to unbalanced features. That's really the nature of the game.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Think about it for a minute..

I watched those replays for two seasons, amazed at what a bunch of points into HeadFake can get you.

I then create 2 RBs, to emulate this type of build.

Now HeadFake is basically useless.

How is that fair?

Bort sees people having fun, excelling with certain builds, he then takes them away - along with all of their wasted skill points.

That's the main thing, the wasted money and skill points. When we are building a player, we should be able to count on something working from one season to the next. We shouldn't have to worry about some certain SA/Attribute being rendered completely useless, just because some people had success with it.


Its a joke, hopefully you can now see where I'm coming from.

Look at those set of plays, now compare them to what the other poster showed us from this year.

There is no comparison.

And before you say that the defense has just built themselves up, my response to that is so have the RBs. In season 2, Tea Baggins was still pretty slow, so I'm guessing he didn't have a million points invested into Agility/HeadFake.

But now here I am, in Season 5, with over 60 Agility and 7 in HeadFake, and I can't do anything even resembling any of those plays. And yeah, I'm pretty sure that Tea Baggins did not have 60 Agility quite yet in Season 2, as he's not close to being as quick as my RB is.

Bort nerfed it - a lot. If this doesn't prove it, I don't know what will.

Well, it really should be something that's expected. Anytime something is too good to be true, or could be considered "unbalanced", it will get balanced. I don't think that in this case, head fake is necessarily nerfed to uselessness. It still serves its purpose. It's just more subtle and realistic than it was before.

I imagine a high head fake with high agility/speed/juke would still be a nasty combo.