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Bukowski
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Originally posted by Bukowski
How was this play complete?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=163053&pbp_id=1375010

But this wasn't?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=163053&pbp_id=1373694

Very strange.


 
JD Cuda
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Same things here on my end with my top receiver.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=141521&pbp_id=1323638
Ok, maybe a little off, but I caught these last year.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=141521&pbp_id=1324796
Same

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=141521&pbp_id=1326133
Gotta be kidding me. That's a TD.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=141521&pbp_id=1326696
Shoulda been a nice gainer...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=141521&pbp_id=1327272
Another TD possibility

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=141521&pbp_id=1327471
Another shouldabeen solid pickup

All these are from today's game. Apparently being able to get separation and have catching above the soft cap isn't enough to make a solid WR. I still have points to spend, but I don't know whether to improve jumping, sticky hands, or vision.

None of those plays looked tipped, and most of the throws looked perfect (or as close as I can tell in 2D).

What gives?!
 
Bukowski
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Yeah, its pretty aggravating.

I was WIDE open on what should have been a long TD, good thing it didn't matter in the end.

Bort has said before, that the more wide open you are, the easier it is to catch the ball, but it sure doesn't look like it in our case..
 
TtD
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QB in the top one that falls short is moving backwards, ball never really reaches the WR, only way to deal with such passes would be to get diving catch up, they're a fairly common occurance, will look at jdu's in a sec.

EDIT: Yeah, all seem to be low passes, only way your going to stop them is to improve the QBs strength/accuracy, or work on diving catch your end. Jumping also an option at a guess, in all cases they're incomplete as they reach you at ankle height.
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Mob-6
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See, I would have guessed vision, but I have no idea.
 
JD Cuda
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Originally posted by TtD

EDIT: Yeah, all seem to be low passes, only way your going to stop them is to improve the QBs strength/accuracy, or work on diving catch your end. Jumping also an option at a guess, in all cases they're incomplete as they reach you at ankle height.


Last season, those passes were caught and run for a good YAC.

This year, our QB's strength and throwing is even better than it was last year.
 
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Originally posted by TtD
QB in the top one that falls short is moving backwards, ball never really reaches the WR, only way to deal with such passes would be to get diving catch up, they're a fairly common occurance, will look at jdu's in a sec.

EDIT: Yeah, all seem to be low passes, only way your going to stop them is to improve the QBs strength/accuracy, or work on diving catch your end. Jumping also an option at a guess, in all cases they're incomplete as they reach you at ankle height.


I've always wondered if the diving catch SA would be useful, but I've rarely had plays like that. Although I might get it up in my pursuit for 10 in one handed catch!

Originally posted by Mob-6
See, I would have guessed vision, but I have no idea.


How so? Do you mean like with low vision the WR isn't looking back for the ball so he doesn't realise it's coming and doesn't attempt to catch it?
 
Bukowski
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Originally posted by jdupuy3
Originally posted by TtD


EDIT: Yeah, all seem to be low passes, only way your going to stop them is to improve the QBs strength/accuracy, or work on diving catch your end. Jumping also an option at a guess, in all cases they're incomplete as they reach you at ankle height.


Last season, those passes were caught and run for a good YAC.

This year, our QB's strength and throwing is even better than it was last year.


Exactly.

Both of my teams QBs are built very, very well and both put up monster numbers last season.

I really can't imagine their being a problem with my QB, as both have been great throughout their career.

The fact of the matter, is that I was SO wide open - that incomplete pass should have been no problem to complete.

The ball doesnt look under-thrown or high - it looks like it went directly to me, without being completed.
Last edited Sep 22, 2008 19:50:17
 
Mob-6
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Originally posted by Viscount


How so? Do you mean like with low vision the WR isn't looking back for the ball so he doesn't realise it's coming and doesn't attempt to catch it?


Exactly, that is what it seems like to me watching a 2 dimensional sim. Please see the part of my statement where I said I have no idea why that is happening.
 
TtD
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Will try to give you an example, i'm 6'5", QB throws me a pass, it reaches me fine, from above it shows it reaches me. Reality is though it reaches me at ankle height, it's still a short pass unless i'm a contortionist and can hook it up.

I'm not saying there hasn't been a change, but it's a thing I saw plenty of last season with speedie WR as they had low jumping/SA. Had the same issue start of last season with my guy when he had only 30 jumping. I cranked up the jumping, put up the agility and diving catch more and upped sticky hands. End result I haven't had an issue all last season, and we've not had such a short pass for any of the WR on the team this season. Why? Because all our WR have good catching skills and we're setup to deal with such passes.

How you deal with it will be up to you, and the cause may have some issues to do with Bort changes but I have some doubts to the matter. The higher your speed the better your catching has to be to pick up the less accurate passes.
 
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If the passes are low, how come the CB doesn't tip them? In almost all the replays, the CB is a few feet in front of the WR.

I saw nothing of the sort happening last year.
 
Bukowski
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Originally posted by jdupuy3
If the passes are low, how come the CB doesn't tip them? In almost all the replays, the CB is a few feet in front of the WR.

I saw nothing of the sort happening last year.


 
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Same reason you can't catch it i'm assuming, CBs generally have worse catching skill than the WR, if it's at ankle height for you, it may be knee height or so for him, still a tricky catch if you have no catching ability. And Bukowski, can you quit with the +1 posts, it's just getting annoying.
 
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No its just shit. This how they nerfed pump fake and make up BS and try to say its all of these other things. I was told vision, mine is 45. Been told its the QB, throwing and strength are crazy high. This is just sick, guys wide open and its not a drop.....it's incomplete. I have to call bullshit on these dumb plays. The last game it took 8 tds from us to open WRs.
 
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Originally posted by TtD
And Bukowski, can you quit with the +1 posts, it's just getting annoying.


No one cares about your opinion, you've been ridiculously wrong with everything you posted in this forum.

And its annoying? Really? I quote someone that I agree with, and that's annoying to you? Control freak much?

You're mad because no one will agree with you? Oh poor you..

Besides, why would any of us want to listen to you, on how to build a WR? You couldn't even build your own correctly, much less any of ours.

Your WR last year - 47 Catches, 436 Yards, 11.5 AVG, 1 TD.

Wow.. You must really know what you're doing..

Tell us oh wise one, how did you score that one TD last year? Impressive.

Go ahead and get out of my thread and the WR forum. No one wants you here.
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