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As far as I know, Bort didn't make any changes. Any receivers with a ton of speed play a game yet? I'm wondering how drops will be again this season, and how important agility factors into acceleration.

Basically just post whatever you noticed, good or bad, if you have a speed receiver.

I still believe acceleration is only or mainly driven by agility.
So the gap between the speed and agility shouldn't be too big.

For example, a receiver with about 80 in speed and 50 in agility won't be able to reach his top speed.
It's only my thought because I made this mistake and now that I've tuned my equipment the problem seems to be solved.

To solve dropping issues I think the right thing to do is increasing your catchingn, your vision and SAs such as sticky hands.
Also confidence for the repetitive drops.

Speed is still the best WR stat in the game irregardless of how much agility you have.

Originally posted by Tarkam
I still believe acceleration is only or mainly driven by agility.
So the gap between the speed and agility shouldn't be too big.

For example, a receiver with about 80 in speed and 50 in agility won't be able to reach his top speed.
It's only my thought because I made this mistake and now that I've tuned my equipment the problem seems to be solved.


I'm still questioning how much agility affects acceleration. I posted this in the HB forum, as my slow build HB has 49 speed but only 18 agility and still looked pretty fast today:


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190567&pbp_id=269282

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190567&pbp_id=269939

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190567&pbp_id=274116

Originally posted by Mob-6
Speed is still the best WR stat in the game irregardless of how much agility you have.


True.

I wonder if anyone's tried an all speed WR with low agility but 10 in first step.

Originally posted by Tarkam
I still believe acceleration is only or mainly driven by agility.
So the gap between the speed and agility shouldn't be too big.

For example, a receiver with about 80 in speed and 50 in agility won't be able to reach his top speed.
It's only my thought because I made this mistake and now that I've tuned my equipment the problem seems to be solved.

To solve dropping issues I think the right thing to do is increasing your catchingn, your vision and SAs such as sticky hands.
Also confidence for the repetitive drops.

My receiver with almost that same gap in speed/agility seemed FAST AS HELL today. So i don't think agility affects acceleration as much as people think. The problem I had was catching the ball. 1 drop, and a couple of incompletions that looked like they landed right on him. It could be vision, but I never want to add points into it because it seems like it'd be a waste for something I'm not sure works. I have 36 vision. It could also be catching, which I have soft-capped, but maybe I need more? Only other thing I could think of is jumping, which I have pretty low.

Anyways, about the whole speed/agility thing: I used to have my speed and agility about even. Something like 70/65 speed/agility, and my WR didn't really produce. I switched his equipment around to primarily speed, and he gets a LOT more separation from the corners. So IMO speed is a lot more important than agility.

Well here are the plays: What does it look like I need to work on?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=187585&pbp_id=344704
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=187585&pbp_id=344742
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=187585&pbp_id=348145
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=187585&pbp_id=347176

I know that last one's not me, but it's another example of the same thing. Is this a problem with the QB or the receivers?

It looks like a lot of those plays coulda been TDs if they were caught.

Also, look how fast he is!

Ok. So last year, my guy was at about 66 speed and 49 agility with 1 and 1 for the First Step and Quick Cut SA trees or so when I had these two plays. You can see that on both, there was a little hesitation after the initial catch, but then turned on the burners. In fact, the first one should have been stopped, but there was a missed tackle.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=93148&pbp_id=7931758
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=93148&pbp_id=7934056

Fast forward to this year's first scrimmage. With equip upgrades/shuffling got his speed up to 75 and agility to 55, but the Quick Cut and First Step are at 5 apiece. Look at the instand acceleration now.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190001&pbp_id=49068

Not too sure HOW much agility factors, but its gotta be some.

Originally posted by Viscount

I wonder if anyone's tried an all speed WR with low agility but 10 in first step.

why in gods name would anyone do that? The SP it would take to get to 10 first step is enough to raise any roll to the agility soft cap.

Agility is worthless in a speed build, yes I said it. Didn't you see the examples in another thread Viscount posted of burners with low agility that were productive? If First step boosts SPEED AND ACCELERATION than it seems it would be the better choice for a speed guy than just agility.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Agility is worthless in a speed build, yes I said it. Didn't you see the examples in another thread Viscount posted of burners with low agility that were productive? If First step boosts SPEED AND ACCELERATION than it seems it would be the better choice for a speed guy than just agility.

why in gods name would you think first step helps speed? i apologize if you're from another country or an ESL student, but first step has absolutely nothing to do with top speed, other than helping you get there faster. SOME OF THE TIME. unlike agility, which gives a constant (read: all of the time, always, every play) acceleration. Not just from a dead stop. Not just sometimes from a dead stop. All of the time, from 0 to 60 and from 30 to 60. Plus it helps you make catches. Plus it helps you make cuts. Plus it helps you create seperation in half a dozen other ways. And oh yea, helps break tackles too. But no, go ahead and spend 35 SP in first step. It'll just help me get paid more.

My bad! I was combining First Step with Route Run, I was wrong.

I still believe after seeing production numbers of low agility receivers that agility
isn't crucial to a WR's success.

Originally posted by knudlen
Originally posted by Viscount


I wonder if anyone's tried an all speed WR with low agility but 10 in first step.

why in gods name would anyone do that? The SP it would take to get to 10 first step is enough to raise any roll to the agility soft cap.


Well I'm gonna try it. I super slow built a WR last season and he was able to soft cap speed at level 3, so once I've got his speed to the 60.51 cap I'm gonna get first step to 9 (with equipment 10) and possibly put points in quick cut and route run.

I think Route Run has helped me a lot. I don't have that many points in it, but I can see a difference.

This is a play of my WR, I've really boosted the agility.
I love his acceleration and his quick cut abilities.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=186620&pbp_id=390437

^ the CB on that play either got pump faked or head faked and blew the coverage.

Speed is fine.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=187680&pbp_id=612841
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=187680&pbp_id=613881