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Did I miss something? Since when does CArrying help with catching the football?

Yes, you did.

TE's and RB's tend to value carrying and catching. WR's don't value carrying, mostly because we rarely fumble. TE's and RB's get hit by powerful D-linemen and Lbs who might cause fumbles. WR's rarely fumble from getting hit by the prissy corners who bring us down.

Originally posted by Oren74
Did I miss something? Since when does CArrying help with catching the football?

Carrying doesn't help with catching, but it does help with breaking a tackle after the catch. Bort has clarified that carrying doesn't help you catch at all.

Carrying helps with hanging onto the football after you've caught the ball but before you have two feet down to make it a competition.

Apparently in this guys other post, Bort has confirmed that carrying helps with catching. Bort 1, wide receiver community 0.

Bort also said he fixed elusive carrying last season and guess what, he was wrong.

Take from it what you will. I'm sure that if we "watch enough replays" we will find a situation where kicking was useful for a WR. So the question is, how many attempted catches would benefit enough from carrying to make it worthwhile? If it is one catch in 100, that doesn't sound like a good use of skill points. If it is 1 in 5, well, that might make me want to crank carrying. I'm not going to load it, so if someone plays with it this season, let me know what you find.

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Mobius

Wouldn't it make sense that the sim would have some sort of transition phase from catching to carry for YAC? If the defender hits the receiver anytime during this short phase the ball could get dislodged causing a drop or incomplete?

If you watch enough replays you will see WR's dropping the ball from getting touched right after catching it, so you're right on the money.

I'm not really keen on the idea that by increasing a stat you improve only 1 in every so many attempts on the ball.

Considering all factors are included in the equation, it helps in every play - regardless of whether it seems it or by how much - or else it wouldn't help at all - ever.

The formula doesn't sit back and say, "hmm, gee.. will jumping make you jump higher in this play? I woooonder..."


Whether or not carrying helps you catch is not my point. Have a nice day.

from what i have read carrying helps both with reducing swatted balls, as the wr hangs on to it through the catch, and with yac as well. going to work my carry to try to get catch:carry 3:2 and see what happens. quite a lot of points to put in atm though.

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by Mobius
Originally posted by Mobius


Wouldn't it make sense that the sim would have some sort of transition phase from catching to carry for YAC? If the defender hits the receiver anytime during this short phase the ball could get dislodged causing a drop or incomplete?

If you watch enough replays you will see WR's dropping the ball from getting touched right after catching it, so you're right on the money.


If you are going to believe anyone might as well believe the developer of the game...carrying is important for WRs. Carrying helps with drops and also improves YAC & fumbling.

why catch the ball and then fumble it after you get hit.

Originally posted by skel1977
Bort also said he fixed elusive carrying last season and guess what, he was wrong.

I now take it you were wrong.

Originally posted by ChicagoTRS
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by Mobius

Originally posted by Mobius


Wouldn't it make sense that the sim would have some sort of transition phase from catching to carry for YAC? If the defender hits the receiver anytime during this short phase the ball could get dislodged causing a drop or incomplete?

If you watch enough replays you will see WR's dropping the ball from getting touched right after catching it, so you're right on the money.


If you are going to believe anyone might as well believe the developer of the game...carrying is important for WRs. Carrying helps with drops and also improves YAC & fumbling.


I don't think Bort meant drops I think he only meant incompletions, check these replays someone posted where it looks like the WR catches the ball but the CB forces the incompletion and it's recorded as a PD not a drop.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=133463&pbp_id=8555623
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=133479&pbp_id=9449851
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=110111&pbp_id=7643761
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=110156&pbp_id=6711547
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=110156&pbp_id=6714496
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=84815&pbp_id=6085253

Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by skel1977

Bort also said he fixed elusive carrying last season and guess what, he was wrong.

I now take it you were wrong.

Elusive isn't fixed and Bort didn't say it was fixed, he just said it should be a bit better when he updated it. Anyway this is from todays game, an easy TD but the WR starts stuttering clearly shownig that elusive still isn't working properly:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=191809&pbp_id=23428

Originally posted by Mob-6
Yes, you did.

TE's and RB's tend to value carrying and catching. WR's don't value carrying, mostly because we rarely fumble. TE's and RB's get hit by powerful D-linemen and Lbs who might cause fumbles. WR's rarely fumble from getting hit by the prissy corners who bring us down.

Unless you start your level 29 FS at CB he forced 2 fumbles in the playoffs last season...on WRs.

Also, if your WR is a punt returner, you need carrying. Especially if the gunner is a DE who weighs 300 lbs and has 80 speed.